Geocaching chat log from: 2002-11-25
* ClayJar welcomes everyone to the 45th weekly chat as he checks UPS for his vest's coordinates. [Begin Log 45]
<Leprechaun> they were a string of virtuals just placed between New Brighton and the Ohio Border. I drove all the way to Ohio to pick up all 4!
<pater47> that would be next week - not tonite
<Dekaner> stupid out of town tourists!
<cachew_nut> welcome to chat...let's begin
<Archie> pater, you get to move around the state to much... thats not fair..:-(
<pater47> My vest is still in Washington - been there since 21st
<fouts> i'm here, but i'm a bit distracted tonight
<Tonsil> Lep: ah, wow... truly dedicated!
<ClayJar> Pater: UPS Ground?
<cachew_nut> why fouts?
<pater47> yep
<fouts> it's my 21st wedding anniversary
<cachew_nut> congrats
<Leprechaun> I went the whole weekend with no caches (kid didn't want to go) so I made up for it by doing 5 after work today
<JohnyReb> congrats
<ClayJar> It won't show as anywhere else until it gets to the hub.
<Leprechaun> congrats Marty
<Chris-Mouse> congratulations fouts
<pater47> expected delivery is 12-2
<cachew_nut> 21 more!
<Markwell> Mine hasn't been shipped yet. :(
<ClayJar> congrats, fouts. It's my sister's 24th birthday. (Not Sis-O-Clay)
<Archie> lep, what time to they let you off work ???
<ClayJar> Mw: When did you order?
<Markwell> Friday 11 pm
<CYBret> Wow, you've been married one whole legal drinker!
<Leprechaun> I left the office at 4:45 and found 4 virts and a physical cache between here and Ohio, and still made it to chat
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<mtn-man> hello cachers
<ClayJar> Mw: two days to ship... one more to track.
<gpsfun> hi, m-m
<mtn-man> !!! hey gpsfun
<Archie> lep, yall have sun up there all nite.....lol
<cachew_nut> you did remember, right fouts/
<cachew_nut> ?
<gpsfun> back so soon???
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<mtn-man> here today, gone again tomorrow!
<cachew_nut> lindalu
<Chris-Mouse> hi mtn-man
<pater47> LindaLu, How do you do
<Chris-Mouse> hello LindaLu
<LindaLu> just fine thank you, Hi all
<mtn-man> hey chris
<Archie> helloo linda lu, how do you do..
<fouts> yes. we celebrated last nite
<MrGigabyte> Donna... perfect timing. I need to pick your brain again.
<pater47> beat ya, arch
<DonnaG> Go ahead Mr G
<Archie> so i c..lol
<cachew_nut> good, no frying pan to the head for forgetting then
<Dekaner> is there an "official" meeting time here?
<ClayJar> Anyone know the star-digits for "harassing phone call"? (I'm tiring of the wrong-number idiots.)
<Archie> where ya reckon peggy sue is pater..lol
<MrSnazz> wow, its Monday already.
<Leprechaun> this is it, dekaner!
<MrSnazz> *57 iirc
<Dekaner> wooo go me, it's my birthday woo woo woo
<Dekaner> oh wait, no it's not. just ignore me
<mtn-man> hehe, sorry CJ
<cachew_nut> they probably have the wrong area code cj
<MrSnazz> that's to report the call to the telco
<Archie> oooohhhhhh dddoooonnnnnaaa. hi..lol
<Markwell> we just passed the official start 5 minutes ago...
<pater47> She went out with William Joseph James Robert tonite
<Chris-Mouse> ClayJar: it could be worse. My phone number is one digit off the local Costco warehouse. the two digits involved are 7 and 1
<pater47> his friends call him Billy Joe Jim Bob
<mtn-man> hey senior markwell
<ClayJar> Hehe, that's bad, but I get wrong numbers for a HOTEL.
<cachew_nut> 1 and 7 aren't close to each other
<MrGigabyte> Donna.. take a look at this cache... http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=41254
<DonnaG> OOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhh AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArrrrchiiiieeeeeeeeeeee
<ClayJar> ...753... versus ...723...
<pater47> My number used to be one digit off of Domino's pizza
<Leprechaun> I once had the former phone number of a bank branch. We finally got tired of saying wrong number, and instead conducted some bizarre telephone banking transactions
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<gpsfun> 1 and 7 are only about four beers apart
<Chris-Mouse> lol lep. I've been tempted.
<Archie> :-).. dg
<mtn-man> i just stay on the internet so noone gets through anyway
<LindaLu> handwritten 1 and 7 are very close for some people
<Chris-Mouse> gpsfun: they're a lot closer than that when someone is sloppy writing the number down.
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<Dekaner> our number was dislexic for an apartment maintenance number
<mtn-man> (though we may get dsl soon)
<Dekaner> if the people were nice we'd tell them the right number
<cachew_nut> handwriting should be banned
<DonnaG> OK Mr G I have the page
<ClayJar> When it says "no caller id" I don't even answer. Apparently I sound like an answering machine to telemarketers' predictive dialers.
<Dekaner> if they screamed at us as soon as we picked up about how their toilet was overflowing we assured them we'd send the plumber right over
<MrGigabyte> Donna... I may have napped thru most of my geodesy courses, but me thinks these to great circles intersect each other only at the poles.
<Chris-Mouse> mtn-man: I got cable here because it was cheaper than the second phone line plus dialup internet.
<pater47> I just let telemarketers talk to my Furby
<MrGigabyte> Donna... longitude is obvious, latitude would be +/- 90
<Dekaner> four words ... do not call list
<ClayJar> I've tried to sell a telemarketer some really nice shoes once. :))
<mtn-man> i want dsl so i dont have to share the cable with my whole nieghborhood
<mtn-man> neighborhood
<Archie> you go jar.lol you go boy.lol.. im gonna try that....lol
<gpsfun> I ask telemarketers for their home phone number and what time they have dinner...
<cachew_nut> i used to get people call me complaining to turn their cacle back on, i told them if they called again i would turn off their heat
<ClayJar> m-m: You're sharing the DSL with the same number. It just bottlenecks at the telco instead of at the pole.
<Chris-Mouse> mtn-man: you still share the data with the whole neighbourhood. It's just that you have your own wire to the phone office instead of just to the street
<MrSnazz> lol
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<DonnaG> Mr G they say compass bearings so you start at the poles but direction points to Mag North
<cachew_nut> cacle=cable
<LindaLu> hi beck
<mtn-man> sound like it stinks either way, maybe i will just stay with dailup
<Chris-Mouse> hiya Beckerbuns
<MrGigabyte> Donna.. BTW: the cache hide, Team KFWB are the guys that put all the big cash in the caches around here. Last on foun on the Island had over $3000 in it.
<mtn-man> heya BB!!!
<Archie> well, im gonna run.. i know yall are all heart broken, but i must.. it was very nice to see all yall again..
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<Archie> yall have fun chatting..
<pater47> cya archie
<DonnaG> I have been following those in the Canada forum
<Dekaner> I think cable modem service is selective by who you're with. here earthlink cable (rebadged road runner for $5 less/month) is way faster than dsl
<Chris-Mouse> wow! I usually find McToys here.
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<mtn-man> my local cable provider is the worst, so I wont add insult to injury
<MrGigabyte> Donna, they say compass, but they also say "True"
<Dekaner> makes me want to go to the Great White North, eh?
<ClayJar> m-m: sharing broadband is far nicer than sharing a modem connection. (Dialups are just as shared, and often worse.)
<LindaLu> are there any interesting geocaching topics to discuss tonight?
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<mtn-man> hey rob!
<Chris-Mouse> I've got cable service here. The data isn't bad, but the other services, like e-mail and DNS tend to be horrible. So I set up my own.
<mtn-man> dude
<RobAGD> grrrr
<ClayJar> The main one is the geo-vest tracking service.
<CYBret> Uggh . . we have to share a dial up @ my office
<pater47> you were supposed to bring the topic, LL
<RobAGD> ahhh crap Un Reg version,
<fouts> yes. i'm coming up on #300 and I want some input on what i should do special to celebrate it
<JohnyReb> speaking of compass...can anyone suggest a good link on how to properly suet and use one?
<Leprechaun> winter caching is a good topic, too
<cachew_nut> looking forward to hiiting a bunch on the west coast next week
<mtn-man> been there cybret
<DonnaG> Oh right so they are astronomic, making them lines of longitude, Yes? So you would be correct
<JohnyReb> suet=set
<Chris-Mouse> CYBret: I love working at a college :-)
<LindaLu> ok, what's a geo-vest tracking service?
<JohnyReb> sorry..feeding the hogs
<CYBret> Share DSL at home :-)
<RobAGD> cj - did you Java Applet expire ?
<Chris-Mouse> JohnyReb: have you tried searching for some orienteering sites?
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<Leprechaun> JohnyReb, just buy "Be expert with Map and Compass" by Bjorn Kjellstrom. Available thru amazon
<Dekaner> ok ok on to winter caching
<LindaLu> suet=that stuff we feed to birds
<ClayJar> Rob: it doesn't expire, far as I know.
<JohnyReb> no Chris
<mtn-man> my choice is earthlink dsl vs at&t cable
<ClayJar> The geocaching.com fleece vests came available last week, so a bunch of us have them in-transit.
<Dekaner> has anyone had any luck with winter events?
<LindaLu> ah yes
<mtn-man> i hate at&t
<RobAGD> humm I am getting the ##### Unregistered copy, eval only
<RobAGD> ##### Please ask webmaster to register
<MrGigabyte> Donna. strange they would screw that up. They are most certainly not UNB grads!
<cachew_nut> we're having one saturday
<Dekaner> is it winter there?
<cachew_nut> there is snow
<LindaLu> define winter
<DonnaG> Don't be too sure, you only need c's to pass! ;)
<JohnyReb> I'll check it out LEp, thanks
<Chris-Mouse> I'm still waiting for winter to start here.
<Dekaner> a few feet of snow
<LindaLu> it just gets a little wetter here, that's all
<Dekaner> I'm thinking feb. time frame
<fouts> the 90 day period starting at the winter solstice
<Leprechaun> JR, ask someone to buy it for you for Christmas via amazon
<ClayJar> We don't have a problem with winter events in Lousiana, except for the scheduling thing.
<LindaLu> nothing that will stop a true WASHingtonian
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<cachew_nut> i don't believe we tried that yet
<Dekaner> something for us die hard cachers that are feeling the need
<TestingApplet> (Testing.)
<Chris-Mouse> winter here generally means enough snow to cover the ground, but not enough to be useful.
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<JohnyReb> I'll ceck the libray first...I'm cheap
<DonnaG> Mr G, probably U o T grads
<Dekaner> I was checking with a local resort and for $20 per person they would give us a heated pavilion, rent us all snowshoes, give us group instruction and then provide lunch vouchers in their cafeteria
<Dekaner> was trying to figure out how to turn that into some multi-cache fun for an event
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<mtn-man> sounds fun
<Dekaner> but tracks was my biggest concern
<fouts> winter is that period of the year in Montana when the sun rises at 9am and sets at 3pm, and the temp never gets above -10 f
<Leprechaun> CHOB!
<Chris-Mouse> Dekaner: that doesn't sound too bad.
<Choberiba> Hey!
<mtn-man> chobe!
<BeckAway> Eric!!!
<Choberiba> Long time no pester...
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<Markwell> hey choib
<Chris-Mouse> fouts: for me. the winter unofficially starts and ends when we change the clocks.
<Markwell> chob
<Dekaner> I figured the turn out wouldn't be as big as our last event (125+) so maybe a few different multicaches and the teams could go as groups
<RobAGD> humm chob or is it neila ?
<CYBret> ERRRRIIIICCCCCC
<kablooey> Hi ESP!!!
<Choberiba> Sheesh... I guess you folks remember me..
<MrGigabyte> Donna.. I'm hot on the trail of these guys. I know what survey jobs they have worked on, where they get their GPS tags made, who sold them the Trimble gear etc. I have lots of locals email me asking who they are. All I reply is that they are rich and very generous. Last count they have hidden over $25,000 in caches in 2 months, in 40 caches.
<Dekaner> maybe a handful of 3 or 4 points to each multicache, teams of 5-10?
<Beckerbuns> Hi Blu!!!
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<Dekaner> I thought it would be funny just to laugh at us all tromping around in showshoes for a day
<pater47> Chob? Who's Chob?
<mtn-man> hey blue
<RobAGD> MrG - Gezzz what the hell have they been hiding ?
<mtn-man> !!!
<kablooey> hey mtn
<DonnaG> I would love to know if it is someone I know
<DaRebel> Howdy!
<Chris-Mouse> hi DaRebel
<mtn-man> hey man, you were right about the cache
<Choberiba> Life has been busy, not even time for keychain huntin'
<gpsfun> hi, darebel
<mtn-man> hey DaRebel
<kablooey> mtn: does that mean I can log it?
<mtn-man> absolutely!
<Dekaner> at our last event there were so many people even without the tracks in the snow it was hard not to pass a large group on their way to a cache
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<DaRebel> :)
<mtn-man> i didnt want to make a physical cache since i live so far away
<Dekaner> <---- continues to talk to himself until someone tells him to shush
<mtn-man> i couldnt maintain it
<kablooey> mtn: yeah, I know what you mean.
<Chris-Mouse> that may be a while Dekaner :-)
<Markwell> shush
<mtn-man> dekaner who
<Markwell> ;-)
<MrGigabyte> Rob.. hers one with over $1500, just found... http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=42391
<kablooey> but next time, so you know, you can always find someone here to maintain it for you.
<mtn-man> haha
<Chris-Mouse> of course, I could be wrong...
<ClayJar> Okay, I hereby invite everyone to come geocaching in Louisiana this winter. I guarantee no snowbanks.
<mtn-man> yeah, there are a few good cachers out there I hear
<Chris-Mouse> ClayJar: but the snowbanks are half the fun.
<mtn-man> hehe
<cachew_nut> you still have mosquitos in LA?
<Markwell> I'm heading toward mtn-man, thanks.
<Beckerbuns> Woo!
<Beckerbuns> Just got off the phone with CPS.
<ClayJar> They're not as bad during the winter.
<fouts> i know a guy who has a cache that's designed to be found either in the summer or when there's a lot of snow on the ground
<Dekaner> http://img.groundspeak.com/user/3250_900.jpg
<Dekaner> taken three weeks ago
<mtn-man> yikes, markwell, youre coming to GA?
<Dekaner> yes ladies and gentleman, the snow is here
<MrGigabyte> Rob.. this one has well over $2000 in it... http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=43752
<kablooey> no, he's just headed toward southern Illinois.
<mtn-man> hehehehe
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<Markwell> Well - my Chattanooga run. For Christmas. I know - a little farther north.
<Dekaner> kept slipping on the leaves under the snow, must have landed on my butt at least 10 times that day
<ClayJar> TN? That's up NORTH!
<mtn-man> almost GA
<kablooey> CJ: and what isn't?
<ClayJar> Cuba.
<fouts> FL
<Markwell> I actually get into GA before I get to their house on Signal Mountain.
<megansdad> hi sorry i'm late
<mtn-man> when i was in the keys i saw cuba come up on my gps, it was a wierd thought... there was a cache showing up on my map!
<kablooey> well, sorry to disappoint you, but your wishes that Markwell be deported to Cuba haven't come true.
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<cachew_nut> elcome md
<brdad> elcome md
<Beckerbuns> md?
<fouts> not to worry megansdad, we're just celebrating my 21st wedding anniversary and a lot of snow
<kablooey> mdad.
<Beckerbuns> ahh
<kablooey> as opposed to mf.
<cachew_nut> the darn 's are broken again
<megansdad> hank you
<fouts> why is md opposed to mf?
<kablooey> ehe
<mtn-man> oh yeah, happy happy there marty
<kablooey> oh, I don't use mf's real nick, lest I be thought to be talking to him.
<megansdad> hi bb long time no see.
<Beckerbuns> you too!
<Beckerbuns> howya?
<megansdad> good
<megansdad> my kid is here with her kid
<Beckerbuns> cool!
<cachew_nut> anyone know where I can score some tupperware? :)
<Beckerbuns> my kid came home from the hospital on Weds. after two weeks... and is doing well
<Beckerbuns> as is his little brother
<Leprechaun> glad to hear, BB
<Chris-Mouse> cachew_nut: I picked up a nice 4L plastic jar today. Cheep. It should make a nice cache.
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<Beckerbuns> thot you knew already, lep :)
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<ClayJar> I haven't seen good luck with tupper.
<mtn-man> good news BB
<Markwell> Signing off - have to go examine some December dashpoints.
<Leprechaun> have fun, Markwell!
<Chris-Mouse> I just wandered into a restaurant and asked if I could have one of the jars that they get relish and stuff in.
<Markwell> Always when I'm reading maps!
<mtn-man> see ya markwell
<gpsfun> see ya, markwell
<Markwell> g'nite gpsfun (didn't see ya until now!)
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<Beckerbuns> tupperware rules
<Mopar> yawn
<ClayJar> I've seen too many tuppercaches wet and open here.
<Mopar> chobe!!!!
<Chris-Mouse> Beckerbuns: yup. It survives just about anything that the weather can toss at it.
* fouts eats rum raisin ice cream
<Beckerbuns> probably not real tupperware, or people didn't close them properly
<Beckerbuns> sounds yummy, marty
<Choberiba> Hey Mopey
<Mopar> hey Wigglepuss!
<cachew_nut> did you guys see the rino like audiovox gpses? http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?q=Y&s=1750973553&a=tpc&f=3000917383&m=7580940045&r=8230980045#8230980045
<Chris-Mouse> I'm waiting for the eggnog ice cream to show up.
<Dekaner> ew
<kablooey> nakeder?
<fouts> so what should i do special for #300?
* cachew_nut standing by
<kablooey> you should do the new cache that I'm planning.
<mtn-man> go find a cache?
<mtn-man> hehe
<ClayJar> go to an event cache
<Leprechaun> Marty: find an urban micro, naked.
<mtn-man> i am doing #250 tomorrow
<fouts> done that already lep
<mtn-man> i hope to find a cache that was created by one of the cachers chatting in this channel tomorrow
<fouts> the cache is going to be created tomorrow?
<Mopar> wow, i THINK after i log everything from last few days, i MIGHT hit 70
<DaRebel> :) That could be anywhere!
<fouts> the cachers chatting tomorrow?
<cachew_nut> you could come find mine
<fouts> i'm confused
<mtn-man> no, i am going to find one tomorrow
<Mopar> course i also grabbed 3 TB's in last 2 days
<kablooey> mtn man sees into the future
<kablooey> he knows who will be chatting here tomorrow.
<Chris-Mouse> I'm hoping I can grab a TB this weekend, assuming nobody else grabs it first.
<kablooey> then again, I can guess a few names who will be here tomorrow, as well.
<mtn-man> yeah, i have to actually FIND it
<JohnyReb> I'm too scared to grab a bug yet...don't want to mess up anybody bug
<Mopar> which is funny, since in the last 14 months, i only found one pre-TB traveler, and one TB
<mtn-man> (so i will keep quite)
<JohnyReb> I'll read a bit more first
<DonnaG> Mr G - this cache problem is bugging me, I am showing the page to our geodetic guy tomorrow!
<mtn-man> dang, it is someone who is in the room now
<DonnaG> If I hear it is solvable I will let you know
<Suedoenimh> Is Michigan too far away mtn-man?
<mtn-man> i will be looking for their cache in the morning
<mtn-man> na, not really
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<mtn-man> i live in GA, but it will not be in GA
<Chris-Mouse> I did find a TB. I left it in the cache though because I wasn't going anywhere near where it wanted to go.
<ClayJar> m-m: It's looking like I might be able to do breakfast. Sis-O-Clay will be back the night before, so I just have to clear it on my end.
<DaRebel> Bacon . . . bacon . . . bacon . . .
<gpsfun> Way cool, CJ
<mtn-man> i am getting a fan and pointing it to the SW and getting the frying pan ready
<mtn-man> way to go team
<mtn-man> !!!
<Suedoenimh> We have snow on the ground in Michigan.
<Beckerbuns> c-m, wish more people were that thoughtful
<kablooey> what's the (approx) radius of the earth?
<Chris-Mouse> no snow here. Not anymore.
<fouts> i found a cache in the snow in montana in october
<ClayJar> I haven't gotten cleared yet, but actually, what time will the bacon be?
<Mopar> well, not all TB's have their goal spelled out with them
<Mopar> so far ive been totally lucky
<mtn-man> 10:00 AM
<Beckerbuns> so I've found more than you, mo?
<mtn-man> or so
<Leprechaun> kablooey, it is approx. half the diameter.
<pater47> I don't know, kablooey - my tape measure keeps melting
<mtn-man> hehe lep
<Chris-Mouse> This TB is Bluebirds Fly. It's trying to get to vermont, and I wasn't going to be able to put it in any better spot to move along.
<mtn-man> haha
<Mopar> once i log everything, ill have 4 offical TB's
<MrGigabyte> Donna.. know of any online calculators that will solve the the intersection of great circles?
<ClayJar> Okay, so at worst case, I just have to drive through the night to get there, eat, and drive back through the day to run sound in the AM... no prob.
<kablooey> cool, thanks guys.
<fouts> 6378140 m
<pater47> that's what we're here for, kablooey
<DonnaG> Mr G I have seen a few great circle calcs on-line, but never investigated them
<mtn-man> yikes... we dont what you to kill yourself, but we still would love to have you over
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<mtn-man> heya ls
<cachew_nut> hi ls
<fouts> logscaler: nobody's been able to find those two caches you rehid so well in missoula
* ClayJar asks a different poll question: If you ordered a vest, when do you get it and what color? If you didn't, what color would you have chosen? ;)
<logscaler> Hi guys, how goes the caching war?
<pater47> hunter/navy the 21st
<ClayJar> Monday the 2nd, and Hunter/Navy
<logscaler> Grat fouts.
<logscaler> Great that was.
<DaRebel> hunter/navy - still thinking about it
<mtn-man> didnt, hunter navy
<gpsfun> Kakhi; a couple of birthdays ago...
<DonnaG> I have hinted to my signif other that hunter/navy is nice
<fouts> didn't. have no clue.
<Suedoenimh> didn't-- hunter/navy
<logscaler> They invited me over for dinner too. I wonder what they really wanted?
<JohnyReb> did'nt--would like to see trebark pattern
<ClayJar> Hehe... RealTree?
<cachew_nut> alpenflagen
<gpsfun> good night, all
<Chris-Mouse> goodnight gpsfun
<Mopar> didnt, want my goldenrod/anthracite
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<DaRebel> g'night gpsfun
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<ClayJar> At least I got my super-pocket-vest the day after my birthday. My fleece didn't even ship until then.
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<Leprechaun> which pocket vest did you wind up purchasing, CJ?
<DonnaG> Gotta go too, night...
<logscaler> MrSnazz, you here?
<pater47> cya dg
<ClayJar> I got the one over at rangersurplus.com. $50 for quite a large contingent of pockets. :)
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<Chris-Mouse> goodnight everyone Time for me to go hide from the kittens.
<ClayJar> You'll never win!
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<Leprechaun> I'm happy with 25 pockets on my KMart vest for $19
<kablooey> what's the cosine of 37.681083?
<mtn-man> aw man, your killing us
* cachew_nut slaps kablooey around a bit with a large trout
<DaRebel> I like the one I got at REI.
<mtn-man> wait
<pater47> is this multiple choice?
<kablooey> I dunno, does Windows have a built-in calculator somewhere?
<DaRebel> Yep.
<cachew_nut> 0.791425394012588204054518441246851
<fouts> yes. the calculator is in utilities
<ClayJar> //echo $cos($calc(37.681083*3.14159/180)) in mIRC
<mtn-man> i though my palm calculator would do it but no... thanks cn
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<RobAGD> MrG - intresting cache that I would never really do, looks liek some feeling got hurt on that one, very giving people
<cachew_nut> np
<fouts> doesn't do trig, though
<kablooey> thx c_nut
<cachew_nut> np
<ClayJar> fouts: doesn't do trig? Calc.exe does trig.
<cachew_nut> took me awhile, one fingure is bandaged you know
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<cachew_nut> finger
<RobAGD> that cache at least gives you an idea of what your trying to do, this on on my list Blood & Guts is a wack job
<Lapaglia> evening all
<Suedoenimh> Has anyone done a cache where all you is the distance in nautical miles from other caches to the target cache, then you're supposed to use an Excel spreadsheet to figure it all out?
<megansdad> hi lap
<mtn-man> hey lap
<Choberiba> The clown is in town.
<Suedoenimh> all you know
<fouts> CJ: branefade on my part. you have to switch the view to 'scientific'
<Leprechaun> I did the coolest virtual cache tonight. Took me to the place where the first official U.S. survey grid originated. border of Ohio and Penna.
<RobAGD> sue - kinda
<RobAGD> look at "you are the GPS"
<ClayJar> Suedo: mas o menos
<logscaler> ooopsss. gotta go, later maybe.
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<mtn-man> sounds pretty cool lep
<Suedoenimh> do you know how to do it?
<pater47> Another day, another 56 cents. Cya next week.
<RobAGD> later pater
<mtn-man> see ya pater
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<RobAGD> sue - link me to the cache page please
<ClayJar> Convert everything to UTM and use trig. (Unless it's far, in which case you've got to use great-circle calc.)
<Suedoenimh> no.. just a 2-3 nautical miles
<MrGigabyte> Suedoenimh.. check out my Pier Pressure. .. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=37496
<RobAGD> CJ - not every one knows trig :)
<cachew_nut> kablooey, which cache you working on?
<fouts> well then they should use spherical trig, Rob
<ClayJar> That's what Tuesday through Sunday are for here. Trig help. :)
<Lapaglia> rob: they dont???
<mtn-man> hehe
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<kablooey> c_nut: Plumber's Other Helper
<ClayJar> I'd help someone with the trig if I got a helper credit on the cache page.
<fouts> Henry Plumber?
<Suedoenimh> okay convert my known cache coordinates to UTM, then pray that I'll remember the trif I learned 30 yrs. ago?
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<cachew_nut> i haven't seen that one yet, thanks, i'll look at it later
<DrDoug> Ahh, Sweet Home San Diego
<Suedoenimh> trig
<Leprechaun> good to see you home safely Doug
<cachew_nut> hi drdoug
<mtn-man> hehe, hey drdoug
<fouts> back safe and sound, in one piece, DrDoug?
<RobAGD> sue - I spent 3 weeks looking for teh math I need to do a cache like that
<DrDoug> Hi everyone
<DrDoug> fouts: Yep yep.
<DonnaG> Mr G - try www.gazza.co.nz/greatcircle.html
<kablooey> c_nut: but I'm done with that one now, gonna work on Coffee Central
<Choberiba> Hi Doug
<RobAGD> I took trig abd calc in HS and that was over 15 years ago, and I cabn safely say that if I had not started Geocaching I would have NEVER used any of that math :)
<kablooey> c_nut: I went to Livermore last week and returned home after four hours with no finds.
<cachew_nut> i see some new ones popped up in pleasanton kablooey
<ClayJar> I'd have to look up the grid north to true north correlation for the location, but other than that, the trig can be written down on a web page for easy plug-and-go.
<fouts> but would you trust anyone who thought the gazza was in kiwi land?
* RobAGD thinks blue just likes collecting DNF's
<kablooey> c_nut: yeah, I'll ignore them for now, let you figure out what's worth chasing.
<Leprechaun> Question for room: Will you be caching out of town because of Thanksgiving travel? Where at?
<kablooey> Rob: you'd be proud of me. I found a cache today!
<cachew_nut> i kablooey: i read about that in the sf geocachers forum :)
<ClayJar> I'll be caching in town due to Thanking.
<RobAGD> w00t !!
<kablooey> Rob: even though it was 60 feet off.
<welch> lep: nope just caching around home
<fouts> not me. we have family coming here.
<kablooey> Rob: well, part of the problem was that I was getting 30 ft EPE
<RobAGD> Blue ) i think you suffer teh same problem my friend does, he trusts his GPS too much
<Suedoenimh> Okay so which night is the best night for trig help?
<RobAGD> sue - depends on the mood of the peopel in teh room
<kablooey> Rob: I had to scour three different trails (at different elevations) across that 60 ft before I found it.
<fouts> i'm always willing to give trig help when i'm here.
<ClayJar> I should be around tomorrow. I'm not awake enough tonight.
<fouts> it's usually wrong
<fouts> but i'm helpful ;)
<cachew_nut> Sue is the nimh in your name for nickel metal hydride?
<megansdad> time for bed
<kablooey> Rob: but my real problem was not reading the cache page carefully. Then I would have realized it was at the top of the cliff, not the middle or bottom.
<Suedoenimh> tomorrow night then. nah pseudonym
<DonnaG> Sue do numih - pseudonym?
<megansdad> goodnight everyone
<fouts> nite
<DaRebel> nyte
<mtn-man> see ya
<RobAGD> sue doe minh
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<mtn-man> wow, i am actually number one in the stats on something!!! amazing!!!
<cachew_nut> truly
<Leprechaun> most yodels in an IRC channel?
<mtn-man> hehehe
<mtn-man> not me!
<DonnaG> Mr G - that calculator comes up with an intersection, guess I gotta go look at my "Geodesy: The Concepts" book
<mtn-man> i do quit with eloquence though
<Leprechaun> Yo! delay hee hoo.
<kablooey> are there any sites which still convert street addresses to coordinates?
<Suedoenimh> Before I go quick cache story from yesterday. 4 stage cache I put in the 2nd stage cache coordinates way wrong. 200 instead of 700 at the end. On my way back from god knows where, I see the final cache-- tree shaped like a 4es way wro
* mtn-man always has a funny exit
<ClayJar> kab: MapBlast used to, but they decided to commit websiteicide.
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<fouts> wow. now 1304 caches within 100 miles
<Suedoenimh> night
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<mtn-man> holy cow
<cachew_nut> where?
<Leprechaun> religion is off limits in here, but I respect Hinduism if that's your gig
<mtn-man> cache density maximun
<DonnaG> Ok - I'm really going this time! Night...
<mtn-man> maximum
<mtn-man> hehe, see ya
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<mtn-man> speaking of holy cows, i just got back from texas
<mtn-man> there were cows out there
<cachew_nut> and your arms are tired?
<ClayJar> Seudo: I may have found the grid convergence functions I need... I'll check up on it tonight.
<mtn-man> i was waiting for that one!
<mtn-man> hehe
<cachew_nut> big longhorns out there
<mtn-man> saw four deer doing a cache
<fouts> little long horns too
<mtn-man> very cool, inside the austin city limits
<DaRebel> Were they using Maggies or Garmins?
<fouts> mtn-man: down by the river?
<Leprechaun> I did not know that deer had caught onto geocaching.
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<cachew_nut> see any sheep?
<mtn-man> yeah, down by the river
<mtn-man> they had garmins, of course
<mtn-man> hehe
<fouts> my favorite part of austin
<DaRebel> :)
<mtn-man> yeah, really a nice hike
<Leprechaun> so mtn-man, were the deer consistently 30 feet away from the salt lick?
<mtn-man> got a rock with a fossil
<fouts> kewl
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<mtn-man> saw no salt lick, but as soon as they saw me they booked
<mtn-man> they know hunting season
<mtn-man> seen that in GA
<TFF> yes because the deer were using garmins
<cachew_nut> poor deer
<mtn-man> i figured it was just that they knew i was from GA and I scared the heck out of them
<mtn-man> "look, a GA person... aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh"
<mtn-man> i did see the statue of stevie ray vaughn
<mtn-man> that was a virtual cache
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<cachew_nut> hi kfam
<Kfam> Hi CN....evryone
<Leprechaun> hiya Kfam
<Kfam> hey lep
<Kfam> quiet tonight?
<mtn-man> i scared everyone i think
<fouts> not 'till you came in, no. ;)
<Kfam> the official chat was an hour ago...right?
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<Kfam> ahhh...ok then
<fouts> it was that think you were doing with the sheep mtn-man
<ClayJar> Started then.
<cachew_nut> hehe
<Leprechaun> we're between topics I suppose.
<mtn-man> sorry, there are no sheep in texas
<cachew_nut> yeah sure
<cachew_nut> not anymore
<mtn-man> they have all been shot
<DaRebel> Well, there aren't now . . .
<cachew_nut> honest officer, i was just helping him over the fence
<Kfam> wished i had enough time to do more than a couple hunts a month
<Leprechaun> I had yet another police interaction while night caching tonight
<ClayJar> So, c_n's got the CtF cache. GGA's got breakfast. What else is coming up?
<mtn-man> yikes
<Leprechaun> spotlighted from across a field. He saw my car in the parking lot.
<RobAGD> Muhahhaha my brother in law is all bumbed out because my sister is out with her school friends :)
<cachew_nut> :)
<cachew_nut> did you get questioned lep?
<Leprechaun> yep. Once they see I'm a balding 42 year old sober guy with a fisherman's vest, they usually leave me alone
<mtn-man> hehe
<JohnyReb> did ya get frisked?
<Leprechaun> provided that the park is still open
<welch> if they stoped you while caching, are they geocops?
<cachew_nut> i wish i were 42 again
<Leprechaun> I was careful to check that the park did not close at dusk
* kablooey is heading out, vaguely toward home.
<mtn-man> see ya blue, log that cache!
<Leprechaun> I didn't get frisked. that would've been funny. I had a hot wheels, a rubber snake and a slinky for trade goods
<kablooey> mtn: oh yeah, forgot :)
<Beckerbuns> Bye Blu!!!
<cachew_nut> hah
<ClayJar> That'd make a great police report.
<DaRebel> Well, I'm gonna mosey on out of here. C ya!
<DaRebel> bye
<mtn-man> see ya DaRebel, hope all is well
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<welch> bye rebel, blue
<welch> ok too late
<cachew_nut> did they ask you what you were doing and did you tell them about geocaching?
<kablooey> Bye ESP!!!
<kablooey> seeya welch. hmm, that wasn't a question.
<welch> it was?
<kablooey> later mtn
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<mtn-man> :-)
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<Hutch> Hello All
<Leprechaun> welcome!
<cachew_nut> hi hutch
<Hutch> Where is everyone from?
<cachew_nut> lep, did they ask you what you were doing and did you tell them about geocaching?
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<welch> Welcome to chat Hutch
<Leprechaun> I said I liked hiking at night, and I thought the park was open. He said it was, and told me to be careful.
<Leprechaun> simple enough!
<cachew_nut> did you have a light?
<ClayJar> Where is this? Parks open at night? Iconceivable!
<welch> so why did they bother you, thought you were doing something illegal?
<Leprechaun> I had a headlamp and a maglite
<cachew_nut> they didn't give you the third degree, but we will :)
<welch> ah, ya that would attract attention
<cachew_nut> thats my setup
<Leprechaun> I suppose it's odd to see someone crossing a field to go into the woods in the dark on a blustery November Monday
<cachew_nut> :)
<Leprechaun> it's easiest to just say I'm hiking. 'cause it's true. Telling the truth works VERY well.
<mtn-man> park are open at night in CO, i did some night caching there
<cachew_nut> i like the woods in the dark, others are scared to go there and if i see someone they are more scared than i am
<mtn-man> cop didnt even stop me
<ClayJar> In Baton Rouge, we've got **TONS** of parks (BREC does a great job), but no hiking, and nothing open after dark.
<cachew_nut> did you have a backpack?
<Leprechaun> I've now been stopped 3 times
<mtn-man> dang lep
<Leprechaun> I had on my caching vest... it's military-looking
<cachew_nut> our military?
<welch> does it matter?
<cachew_nut> i think it does
<Leprechaun> no, it's Saudi Surplus.... says "AL QAEDA" across the back.
<RobAGD> iraqi
<cachew_nut> :)
<welch> do you think the cop could have told the difference?
<RobAGD> man the Greg Normal pull over rocks
<JohnyReb> that explains why they let you go
<cachew_nut> of course\
<cachew_nut> cops know tactical gear
<welch> you have some top cops CN
<JohnyReb> must have been INS
<Leprechaun> and I wear a fisherman's vest, not a military vest. Just that it's olive drab.
<cachew_nut> they are on hightened alert, or haven't you heard
<ClayJar> But olive drab == military, right? ;)
<Leprechaun> I don't mind getting questioned one little bit.
<cachew_nut> gotcha lep, i knew that:)
<mtn-man> yeah
<Leprechaun> so long as I'm treated courteously.
<mtn-man> sort of
<RobAGD> lep just fears the loud snap of the latex glove
<welch> CN i dont think being on hight alert made the police that much smarter, but you never know
<mtn-man> who doesnt
<ClayJar> The only time I was a bit perturbed to be questioned was the 2am interrogation on a very cold night in an otherwise unused NFS camp.
<Leprechaun> the one time I was trespassing (inadvertently), the rural sheriff led us to a legal parking spot and waved us along!
<cachew_nut> you think cops don't shop at places like www.lightfighter.com ?
<mtn-man> i get my bag searched again tomorrow when i fly since i bought my ticket today
<Beckerbuns> Kablooey got interrogated by police by the Oakland Airport when he was looking for a travel bug cache once.
<ClayJar> Sounds like fun.
<Leprechaun> yep that's guaranteed, m-m
<mtn-man> yep
<Leprechaun> LOL figures, kab couldn't find it quickly
<mtn-man> same thing last week when i bought my ticket five hours before i got to the airport
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<mtn-man> i wish they knew how to pack the bag back
* RobAGD luckly only won teh airport lottery once so far....
<mtn-man> they usually do not
<Leprechaun> welcome to official chat, Aronius!
<Aronius> Did I miss it all?
<mtn-man> not quite
<ClayJar> No, it's still happening a little longer.
<Aronius> Is there anything to miss?
<Leprechaun> that's not covered until *advanced* airport security training
<Leprechaun> Aronius, it doesn't stop until ClayJar closes the logs
<TFF> good nite all
<Aronius> Copy
<mtn-man> no doubt, just throw it back in the suitcase
<Leprechaun> we were giving out the coordinates for the caches with $1000 cash in them
<Aronius> any other rules I need to know
<Aronius> Like
<mtn-man> dont cuss
<Aronius> talking out of turn
<mtn-man> no, everyone does that
<Kfam> ....and the last number is 7
<ClayJar> Out of turn is standard, but keep the language clean and don't make fun of us too badly.
<Aronius> try not to
<Leprechaun> yeah try to make fun of us really good, not badly
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<mtn-man> exactly, you beat me to it!
<JohnyReb> has anyone else notified the local pd before placing a cache?
<mtn-man> yeah, i did here in my town
<Leprechaun> I did, for my multicaches
<mtn-man> i went to the town manager
<Leprechaun> I figure the police don't necessarily talk to whomever you got permission from.
<JohnyReb> I did for my one and only, not many in the city just wantedt them tobe aware
<mtn-man> there you go
<Aronius> what's on the agenda
<Aronius> ?
<welch> what agenda?
<fouts> the leather one on the desk, of course
<Leprechaun> now, on a simple traditional cache in a park, I'm not gonna talk to the cops. But a complex multicache... that's different.
<Kfam> what's the difference?
<Leprechaun> Aronius, if you have questions just fire away. it's free-form. Great way to learn.
<JohnyReb> I just had fears of my cache on the local news being blown up by the bomb squad
<Mopar> Win95 Uptime: 5days 18mins 3secs
<Leprechaun> Kfam, on my multi, I have people wandering the park for 2.5 hours, crisscrossing, cutting thru woods within sight of roads, etc. etc.
<Mopar> time to reboot
<JohnyReb> not to mention the park mgr was'nt going to approve until I had told him that I had already discussed it with the pd
<mtn-man> free form, anarchy, yeah
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<mtn-man> interesting JR
* fouts is making a series of caches from black pvc pipe
<mtn-man> yikes!
<Aronius> Lep thanks I will....
<Leprechaun> is that the poly cache fouts?
<mtn-man> i found a pvc cache finally in austin
<fouts> maybe. ;)
<Kfam> so...if there's some perve casing the playground, they just think it's a geocacher now?
<JohnyReb> only if he's wearing olive drab
<Leprechaun> HEY
<Leprechaun> hee hee hee
<ClayJar> And pretending to talk on a GPS cell phone, eh?
<Leprechaun> near a playground is the last place I'd put a cache. Kids would find it.
<Eeyore> good night
<fouts> not the one i found in montana
<cachew_nut> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cachelog_details.asp?ID=132684&L=761795
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<Beckerbuns> What's a membe?
<mtn-man> exactly!
<Aronius> First question....
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<JohnyReb> question-How many times were you the last one to log a cache that turned up missing
<mtn-man> every time i see that i laugh
<Kfam> or mebe not
<mtn-man> once
<JohnyReb> I look bad 2out of my 7 have been that way
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<welch> reb, none as far as i know
<Aronius> Any one ever tie a cache to a lake bouy?
<ClayJar> I've now picked up or reported missing *four* hydrocaches.
<Leprechaun> I've held my breath a couple of times. But only twice that I know of.
<welch> but ive been the bringer of bad news for 3 caches that were trashed
<mtn-man> no, but clayjar would love that one
<Leprechaun> yes Aronius it's been done. Go for it!
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<Aronius> Sweet...
<Beckerbuns> hI Mopar.
<ClayJar> Aronius: Where are you? (Or where would be the lake?)
<JohnyReb> I reproted one that got washed away...bummer too went all the waay to NC to log a no find
<Aronius> Second question....
<mtn-man> i meant dont know
<Mopar> hi bb
<mtn-man> hay mope
<mtn-man> hehe
<ClayJar> One in Wisconsin, one in Alabama (Middle Bay Challenge), one in Louisiana, and one of my own.
<Mopar> btw BB, I left your san jose bottle opener/keyrings in a few caches last few days
<Aronius> Anyone one done the money cache with close friends or people you work with?
<mtn-man> (southern drawl sounding)
<welch> money cache?
<Beckerbuns> hehe
<Aronius> Lake Oroville in California
<Beckerbuns> Yay, Call Center keychains!
<Mopar> yep
<ClayJar> Nuts. Too far to drive on a weekend.
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<welch> hellp capt leno
<Aronius> Sorry man...
<Capt_Leno> howdy
<mtn-man> i like mr_letterman better
<Leprechaun> Aronius, most of us have very few friends and our co-workers avoid us
<cachew_nut> explain what you mean by the money cache
<welch> yes, whats a money cache?
<JohnyReb> what's money?
<cachew_nut> sounds like something i'd like to hunt
<ClayJar> All my caching friends are geocachers, so I wouldn't do one just for my caching friends, because that would be doing one for everyone, which is what I already do.
<Aronius> You guys have seen the link for Lengendeo...kinda like that...
<Leprechaun> he posted poll number 86 about that. Take up a collection, $10 per player, put it in a cache and give everyone the clues for a scramble.
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<Capt_Leno> I've thought of a Poker Cache
<welch> hello forse
<Aronius> with like 6-7 clues...
<Leprechaun> a private legendeo for friends/co-workers would be fine. Just keep it off the official site.
<cachew_nut> oh
<Aronius> \I was going to spresd them around my county
<ClayJar> I *don't* like competitive caching, so a race for cash/cache would be a big non-hunt for me, personally.
<cachew_nut> its ok if i get there first i guess
<GeoForse> Hi, welch
<welch> legendo is the game were you have to collect the puzzle pieces?
<Aronius> Yeah that what I heard...
<Leprechaun> yes. The game that's "still in beta"
<cachew_nut> whats in it for everyone else?
<welch> how long has it been in beta? seems like months
<Capt_Leno> 5 caches, ten cards each...one who gets to all 5 cahes and winds up with best hand...blah blah blah
<ClayJar> Anyone still remember the PotA caches?
<mtn-man> yep
<cachew_nut> no
<mtn-man> second to one of them
<Leprechaun> read about them.
<mtn-man> planet of the apes caches
<cachew_nut> oh
<welch> i was never near any of them
<Aronius> I was going to put $100 in the final cache
<cachew_nut> there was none around here
<ClayJar> If you don't remember them, read about them so you don't recreate the mistakes they made. (But recreate the good parts, of course.)
<Leprechaun> there's Markwell's story about PotA, available on wisconsin geocaching website, and of course the Dave Ulmer incident
<mtn-man> i was lucky and drove like a madman and still got beat by about 15 minutes
<Capt_Leno> Or 4 caches..all the hearts in one, all the spades in another...so on...
<Beckerbuns> What'd Dave Ulmer do now?
<mtn-man> leno, we played a card game for our GGA event cache... which a certain Louisiana cacher won
<welch> i think he got to a cahce first
<Aronius> You guys have any idea of the durationof a game like this...
<Leprechaun> yes a PotA cache
<Kfam> i read about what he did then
<cachew_nut> markwell hid one in illinois but it was way out in farmland or somewhere away from the city if i recall correctly, not too sure
<welch> and took whatever whas inside
<ClayJar> Basically, I think anyone who does a competitive cache should be *required* to read: 1: The PotA info, 2: The Foxhall Cup info, and 3: The GGA Challenge Event (5 Cache Stud) info. (After that, you'll probably make a good one.)
<Leprechaun> the problem with PofA was there was only one valuable item
<mtn-man> true lep, and thanks CJ
<Capt_Leno> If I could think of a way to scale a water tower...and right something on it without getting caught...I would do a flying cache...lol
<cachew_nut> i don't think i was geocaching yet when POTA was happening
<Kfam> what about that canadian team kbfw or whatever it is
<Leprechaun> yes they're promoting dashing, that's for sure!
<cachew_nut> what was the ulmer incident?
<Leprechaun> he found the pota cache then ranted about it in the forums. Under screen name "inventor of geocaching"
<cachew_nut> i know who he is
<cachew_nut> and then what happened?
<welch> didnt he tick a bunch of ppl because he wouldnt say what the item was?
<welch> off* needs to be in there...
<Capt_Leno> <<<<<<<<<<inventor of "instant stump" lol
<cachew_nut> does anyone know what the item was?
<Kfam> he seemed consumed by the hunt and blew a fuse....decided that it wasn't what he envisioned when he hid the first cache
<cachew_nut> besides ulmer
<welch> whoever placed it i would think....
<Beckerbuns> Oh, I remember the PotA thing now.
<mtn-man> i think ulmer is going through menopause
<cachew_nut> i've read many columns where he is called the inventor of geocaching
<cachew_nut> and not buy himself either
<Leprechaun> but you won't find his name mentioned on www.geocaching.com
<Aronius> Hey guys I have to scram...you guys do this weekly right....? Sorry I'm leaving so soon...
<ClayJar> Step 1: Invent geocaching. Step 2: Become disgruntled. Step 3: Upset lots of people. Step 4: ???
<cachew_nut> i've seen it aa couple of times
<Leprechaun> yes official chat is every Monday at 9:30 Aronius.... welcome....
<mtn-man> Step 4: leave quietly
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<Leprechaun> hi bdt
<ClayJar> Good idea, methinks.
<black_dog_trkrs> hi Leprechaun
<cachew_nut> ulmer references: http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=srch&s=1750973553&result_detail=3&x_as=&findw=ulmer&f=&sis=&dt=&author_name=&sort_order=2&action=simplesearch&search.x=0&search.y=0
<Leprechaun> tell me again what trkrs stands for so that I can lexicon you
<Aronius> Thanks you guys...have a good one...
<ClayJar> tr[au]ckers
<fouts> trekers
<black_dog_trkrs> oh sorry. black dog trackers. my wife made up that name - we have a black dog.
<mtn-man> see ya
<ClayJar> nuts. missed it by *that* much.
<Leprechaun> see? I would've guessed trekkers.
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<ClayJar> my regex didn't cover all the options.
<JohnyReb> lexicon?
<black_dog_trkrs> none of it would by my choice of name :)
<Leprechaun> From now on, my genie will pronounce it correctly instead of mumbling "trkrs"
<ClayJar> text-to-speech, JR
<JohnyReb> ahh
<Leprechaun> lexicon = translator for text to speech
<Leprechaun> like I split the Johnny from the Reb for you, so that it pronounces correctly.
<JohnyReb> coll
<ClayJar> And speaking of splitting....
<JohnyReb> cool
<mtn-man> so what does it say for mtn-man
<cachew_nut> I guess it says in one of the threads that he complained about littering
<mtn-man> hehe
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<Leprechaun> actually, it's smart, it automatically translates mtn to mountain
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<Leprechaun> umc! Jamie!
<mtn-man> awesome!
* ClayJar closes the logs until next week. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. (Even you non-USians.) [End Log 45]
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