Geocaching chat log from: 2002-08-26

* ClayJar announces the opening of the chat #32 with a paraphrase of Shakespeare: "We come to bury MapBlast, not to praise it." [Begin Log 32]
<dboggny> :(
<Beast_of_Traal> welcome back my friends to the show that never ends we're so glad you could attend come inside come inside
<cachercarry> Have any of you seen Teletype GPS? I believe it uses tiger maps
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<mrcpu> Hey Clay... what's this you requesting my virgin?
<ClayJar> Inappropriate in the official chats, mrcpu
<Couch_Potato> never heard of teletype gps
<Eug> During the unofficial chat, children are magically banned from entering the channel.
<mrcpu> Sorry, my bad I ment version
<Couch_Potato> no wonder, pocket pc program
<wf_fuzzy> is that where it tells you your coords in all caps while putting it on a paper tape?
<cachercarry> I bought it to use on a windows CE system and It works pretty well
<Eug> Coordinates in all caps? Do you usually have your coordinates in lower case?
<fouts> at 110 baud
<Enos> hahaha
<fouts> n120w80
<Eug> What's a PocketPC program? Sounds like I missed something actually interesting.
<Couch_Potato> what do lowercase numbers look like?
<mrcpu> I've been told that Clay or Fuzzy know where to get .NET engine for Linux.... is this true?
<Enos> Couch_Potato: they must be very interesting to behold
<Eug> Not Clay. Marty.
<wf_fuzzy> you know, there really are lowercase numbers, but I can't show them to you here.
<dboggny> hello marty
<fouts> hi
<mrcpu> Oops. Sorry, Marty or Fuzzy.
<cachercarry> I used a Jornada 820 and interfaced it to a 315
<ClayJar> You mean just the C# CLI, mrcpu?
<Enos> hey fuzz your a computer wiz right?
<mrcpu> Yea.
<wf_fuzzy> I only play one at my day job
<Enos> hehe
<Leprechaun> I have been searching my entire adult life for an italicized period, and now I have to look for lowercase numerals, TOO?
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<Enos> i had an interesting idea yesterday for higher-speed modem transmissions
<ClayJar> Oh... it's been a while since I've played with that one... I'd have to look later.
<Couch_Potato> I'm still trying to find that blasted 'any' key
<megansdad> hello
<Enos> i was wondering if it would be possible to use DTMF tones to transmit nybbles instead of bits
<Leprechaun> hi megansdad!
<dboggny> hi
<wf_fuzzy> Look for an "oldstyle" font; they typically have lowercase numerals.
<megansdad> hi lep
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<mrcpu> So, this is my first time here during an actual official meeting. (I hang out here off hours all the time) Is there an official itinerary for the chat? Is it lead by someone?
<wf_fuzzy> the guy with the snail
<dboggny> mrcpu. it appears that it is a free for all
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<Enos> ooooh hahahahaha i just had a very mean idea for a cache
<wf_fuzzy> don't tell me.
<Enos> i should change NERD's coordinates from binary to ASCII char codes
* Beckerbuns feels it is probably better to stay shut up rather than risk saying something offensive.
<Markwell> Other than the fact that I wear purple?
<ClayJar> Not really led, mrcpu, but I'm nominally in charge. (I can kick/ban/etc if it ever becomes necessary, but I've never had to yet.)
<mrcpu> I wanted to discuss the FRS question here before we came up with a decision.
<Eug> I won't be offended.
<Leprechaun> that is truly evil, Enos
<wf_fuzzy> and anyone who hangs out in the non-official chats, don't tell Enos about Shortwave.
<Leprechaun> I couldn't explain Shortwave if I was held at gunpoint, it's safe.
<Couch_Potato> it's easy to explain - it's just like longwave, only shorter
<wf_fuzzy> yeah, yeah.
<brdad> like a leprechaun
<Enos> bigger then microwaves?
<Couch_Potato> and smaller than a breadbox
<wf_fuzzy> It's an evil cache idea that will make Enos want to kill me, then himself.
<ClayJar> Hey, Mw, I put out a new cache, False Profits: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=31929
<Enos> hey ill be the first to admit i had fun on p3, just not on the final container
<Leprechaun> here is a quote from the e-mail I just got from someone on their third attempt at my multicache: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!
<Leprechaun> Bill.
<wf_fuzzy> this will make p3 look like a walk in the parks, which it was.
<Enos> it was garbunkel making the threats hehe
<dboggny> did anyone bring beer or do i need to go get some
<wf_fuzzy> and Earthling carrying through on them. You should really do Perelandra.
<Couch_Potato> get me one while you're up :)
<wf_fuzzy> mine's still brewing
<mrcpu> Bring me some Corona and a lime.
<mrcpu> Please.
<Enos> wf_fuzzy: i meant to get the first today but i ran out of time
<Beast_of_Traal> I'm thinking of a multi cache called life the universe and Geocaching
<LindaLu> I thought they said CJ was making dinner for us
<mrcpu> Anyone else here fell like talking about FRS or should I drop it?
<dboggny> i got coors light and coors light. who wants
<Enos> i never got a cache notification about it for some reason, otherwise i would have been all over that
<Leprechaun> Molson's Golden here, please... no American beers here
<wf_fuzzy> I never did either. And I went out of town for a week three days after it debuted.
<Couch_Potato> I could talk about it, but I don't know much
<dboggny> i also have some wine and some gin
<wf_fuzzy> but we got it the day before I left. :)
<Enos> poor earthling was probably wondering where i've been
<Beast_of_Traal> I got homebrew
* fouts pops open a moose drool
<wf_fuzzy> nobody's been doing anything. It's been dead, other than people hitting old fort on the way through.
<Couch_Potato> dang, now I do want a beer
<brdad> I just wish a final decision could be made, mrcpu
<Enos> i think you've singlehandedly turned fort wayne into a mess of evil puzzle caches though
<dboggny> moose drool ha, is that anything like doggy drewl
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<Beast_of_Traal> hi embi
<embi> hello
<Beckerbuns> hiya embi
<wf_fuzzy> I'm just trying to lure Markwell here.
<dboggny> mrcpu, i think you could carry that discussion on forever
<mrcpu> I'm starting a side room, #FRSGeocaching if anyone wants to chat about FRS radios while Geocaching. We are trying to pick a channel for the Official channel.
<wf_fuzzy> so we can ambush him and torture the secret of Pi out of him.
<wf_fuzzy> but don't tell him I said that.
<fouts> by the way, in case i forget to mention it, the open source C# is at http://www.go-mono.com/
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<Enos> hmm i have FRS radios but i've never considered taking them caching
<Enos> no need really
<dboggny> mrcpu, i will abide by whatever you say
<fouts> no idea what shape it's in, though.
<Beast_of_Traal> hi MrG
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* ClayJar returns to the original census question for this week... Where are we all chatting from tonight?
<dboggny> NYC
<embi> australia
<Couch_Potato> I neither use of have FRS so it's a moot point for me right now
<ClayJar> Baton Rouge, LA
<Enos> the state of confusion
<Leprechaun> hello from Pittsburgh PA
<fouts> Mt. View, CA
<pater47> Noxapater, MS
<Beast_of_Traal> Baton Rouge La
<megansdad> new hampshire
<wf_fuzzy> Fort Wayne, Indiana, home of Enos Shenk.
<gpsfun> Suwanee, GA
<cachercarry> Jackson, MS
<brdad> Central Maine
<Sis-o-Clay> Atlanta, Georgia
<katiem> lafayette, LA
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<Crashmore> I'm gonna but a set of frs's here shortly to use with the wife when we go caching she likes to wonder off
<LindaLu> Washington the beautiful evergreen state
<Enos> wf_fuzzy: you only think that, my disembodied brain is languishing in hoboken
<MrGigabyte> Vancouver, BC, Canada
<Couch_Potato> 42 09.477, -77 05.233
<black_dog_trkrs> Falls Church, Virginia
<dboggny> HOBOKEN
<LindaLu> Hi mr gigabyte it was nice to meet you saturday
<Enos> hmm i bought 3 FRS radios for use in urban exploration
<Enos> and paintball
<cachercarry> did the FRS subject come up because of the Rino?
<Crashmore> Germantown Md
<Markwell> 0544
<Markwell> oops 60544
<fouts> i find FRS disappointing, because it's range drops off rapidly if there are any obstructions
<dboggny> the big apple
<mrcpu> The discussion goes that FRS radios would be useful on Geocaching hikes AND if we pick a channel then you can "call out" for fellow cachers in the area.
<MrGigabyte> LindaLu... Yes, I was very happy to finally meet you and the rest of the gang. Thanks for the hospitality
<Leprechaun> left off a significant digit, Markwell?
<Enos> mrcpu: channel 5 is reserved in fort wayne
<Markwell> Nah - forgot that java thingy
<Markwell> heheheh
<mrcpu> Anyone else joining us in #FRSGeocaching ?
<Leprechaun> oh right
<wf_fuzzy> that's an insignificant digit. Much as when a local retailer asks for my ZIP code I tell them "25"
<Couch_Potato> I think it would ne nice to have an official FRS channel, but it won't affect me
<dboggny> i cant mrcpu i am in java and dont knowhow to get there
<Markwell> Gotta run all - wife wants to spend some Quality Time
<cachercarry> I'ts probably a good idea but in MS the population of geocachers seems sparse
<Markwell> ciao!
<wf_fuzzy> thanks for stopping by, markwell!
<black_dog_trkrs> FRS only goes about a mile doesn't it?
<Beckerbuns> 2 or 3 I think.
<mrcpu> I'm voting for channel 2 still.
<dboggny> i am not sure range is the big issue
<gpsfun> I need to run, too. It's been a Monday...
<wf_fuzzy> FRS, that's for those non-Ham folks, right? :)
<Beckerbuns> Speaking of which, someone is talking on our FRSes right now.
<wf_fuzzy> Can we agree on a simplex frequency for geocaching next?
<Beckerbuns> Someone other than us.
<dboggny> i also talked about murs today with mr
<fouts> frs is low power and line of site. obstructions dramatically reduce the range. In a local mall, we weren't able to get 300' with FRS.
<Enos> interesting, i wonder if anyone is on around here
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<fouts> as long as it's in the 2m band.
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<wf_fuzzy> of course
<mrcpu> Yea. Murs would be a pain because they are new and we don't have them in Canada.
<black_dog_trkrs> got 2m
<Sis-o-Clay> Next week all!
<Crashmore> Anyone have a recomendation for a nice set of frs radios? Getting ready to buy a set
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<wf_fuzzy> no, actually I was thinking 6m. :)
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<black_dog_trkrs> never tried 6m
<dboggny> MURS seems nice in that its more power but no license
<ClayJar> I've had no problems with my Motorola Talkabouts (I got the baseline ones with NOAA weather radio)
<wf_fuzzy> or 80 meters. We wouldn't have to worry about tree cover then.
<mrcpu> Yea but only FCC ... there is not CRTC equiv that I know of
<dboggny> although its in the 155 MHz
<wf_fuzzy> don't mind that wire; it'll help you find the car back.
<Enos> hmm darn nobody on FRS here
<Beckerbuns> I think it's the people at the hospital.
<Beckerbuns> Security.
<dboggny> i tried to get a gmrs lic on the fcc website but for some reason the online application thingy is busted
<Leprechaun> Becky tell them "I've fallen and I can't get up" and listen to the hijinks ensue
<Beckerbuns> :P
<ClayJar> So, has anyone else had a cache called "diabolical" recently? :)))
<wf_fuzzy> evil, yes. diabolical, not yet.
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<dboggny> i had a cache called "just a cache" recently
<wf_fuzzy> is this the one you just placed?
<katiem> lol
<fouts> i really really really want to do false profits
<wf_fuzzy> but Enos hasn't seen Shortwave yet either.
<katiem> hmmmmmmm...seems I have used those exact words recently
<Enos> neither has garbunkel
<Enos> hehe
<dboggny> not to long ago
<wf_fuzzy> garbunkel has chickened out on PPP.
<Leprechaun> I got "frustrating" and "defeating" in the last log on mine.
<JAR> fouts, isn't that what got Worldcom in trouble?
<wf_fuzzy> by the way, Earthling told me that your log on PPP scared him off.
<Enos> hah
<wf_fuzzy> are you planning to hunt garbunkel's latest caches, enos?
<wf_fuzzy> The ones in Uganda?
<Enos> if hes not scared of bugs like me hes got nothing to worry about
<MrGigabyte> mrcpu.. I have no idea how to reply to a private chat message., sorry.
<Enos> wf_fuzzy: ah probably not
<wf_fuzzy> So far, I have 23 cents saved toward the airfare.
<logscaler> Any bodies here from the Spokan area ?
<megansdad> i want to do cache at north pole
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<logscaler> Guess not. So far anyway.
<Leprechaun> Since we have a pause, I would like to bow down before the great Fuzzy in recognition of his eloquent posting in the "cache accuracy" discussion thread.
<ClayJar> I had relatives in Spokane, and my brother was almost sent there with the USAF, but he traded for Japan. :)
<wf_fuzzy> aw, shucks, 'tweren't nothin'
<logscaler> Oh CJ. Have I got a multi stage cache for you to hunt.
<Leprechaun> I read that maybe five times today
<megansdad> i used to go out with a girl from vancouver,wa
<wf_fuzzy> it really wasn't that good. I hate flaming people, really I do.
<Leprechaun> calmed me down and kept me from posting again
<logscaler> $ stages in one park.
<st_richardson> Hi everyone! What's the topic of evening?
<logscaler> 4 that was.
<Leprechaun> me too, fuzzy... I could only manage a three-line flame. It takes a LOT to anger a Leprechaun
<MrGigabyte> LindaLu... I just posted my log to the WA Roundup event. Check out my shot of Seth! holding the new waypoint flag.
<LindaLu> did you see the video of Seth!?
<MrGigabyte> Opening the Apperatus?
<LindaLu> yep
<black_dog_trkrs> Born in Spokane, don't live there now, unfortunately
<MrGigabyte> No, where is it?
<LindaLu> brb, I'll go get the link
<logscaler> Canon Park ring a bell???
<Leprechaun> Hello St Richardson!
<wf_fuzzy> see, that still reads like a flame to me. I'm ashamed of it.
<Leprechaun> but it was eloquent
<wf_fuzzy> I tried really hard to be nice and just couldn't.
<MrGigabyte> LindaLu... I think I spent all 6 hours talking to Jeremy. Nice to have friends on the inside.
<Leprechaun> I posted nice once... and STILL he was right and we were all wrong... that's what did it...
<Leprechaun> "change the game rules"
<Leprechaun> "geocaching should follow USGS Map Datum"
<Leprechaun> etc etc etc
<Beast_of_Traal> NAD27?
<wf_fuzzy> Just go read the thread :)
<wf_fuzzy> I do think I handled the NAD27 part okay.
<dboggny> which thread
<Leprechaun> he couldn't find a cache because he was set to NAD27, but it was the rest of the world's fault
<katiem> which thread?
<black_dog_trkrs> lol
<wf_fuzzy> even after he discovered his error, it was our fault for not using NAD27.
<st_richardson> ClayJar: How's sis-o-clay doing with her new GPSr?
<ClayJar> She's been really busy, but she has found at least one.
<cachercarry> bye all, got to go do domestic stuff
<megansdad> hey mr gigabyte i just read your post about the geocoins,you are on the otherside of the world from me.
<Leprechaun> "cache accuracy": http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000900883&m=6410952135
<black_dog_trkrs> i have to switch from WGS to NAD between geocaching and benchmarking. Not sure how much difference it makes.
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<fouts> where did ktjensen claim that it should be NAD27? The one post i saw said that he was going to change his gps
<Couch_Potato> considering how inaccurate moost benchmark coordinates are to start with probably no difference
<black_dog_trkrs> yeah, i figured
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<Leprechaun> Quoting KTJensen: I was using the datum on most USGS maps, so I assumed (incorrectly) that www.geocaching.com would have conformed to that standard. Guess not.
<wf_fuzzy> he didn't state that it should be, he just oozed contempt for anyone who wouldn't use NAD27.
<LindaLu> OK mr gig, here is the link: http://home.attbi.com/~wander_lost/
<LindaLu> anyone who is on dialup, it takes a long time to load
<LindaLu> it's hilarious though
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<LindaLu> Seth! racing the clock to open the box and...
<ClayJar> Hehe... I think I'd assume that a GPS-based game would use, hmm, the datum that GPS uses? (hehe)
<wf_fuzzy> Well, I covered that :)
<Beast_of_Traal> Most of the discrptions of the benchmarks are detailed enough that you don't even need a gps to find them
<Leprechaun> gosh, that plus the legend at the top of every cache page... even I figured it out!
<black_dog_trkrs> Go NAD
<black_dog_trkrs> hah
<wf_fuzzy> covered that too :)
<mrcpu> The GPS datum is configurable. WGS84 just makes sense because it is more accurate to the shape of the earth.
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<ClayJar> Wait, you mean that "(WGS-84)" means something? Can't be!
<wf_fuzzy> it makes more sense than NAD27 in Australia, too.
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<wf_fuzzy> seeing as the NAD means "North American Datum" and all.
<mrcpu> Hey... MrG.. your back. ISP problems?
<JAR> CJ, 5 demerits for being logical
<dboggny> you could really screw with him and put in CONUS
<wf_fuzzy> actually, he mentioned the CONUS part, I think. Thus my bit about it not even applying to all of the US.
<Couch_Potato> CONUS is NAD27 right?
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<wf_fuzzy> CONUS means "continental US." There's a NAD 1983 CONUS too.
<ClayJar> Actually, mrcpu, I know that at least Magellan GPS receivers explicitly use WGS-84 for their serial transfers, and I thought the other brands did as well.
<LindaLu> mr gigabyte, did you see the link before you left?
<dboggny> lol
<wf_fuzzy> NMEA-0183 specified WGS-84, I think.
<mrcpu> MR.Gigabyte works in the Geo-data world. What's his take on datums?
<Leprechaun> all's I know, is when I was brand new, and somebody helped me, the first words I typed were "THANK YOU"
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<mrcpu> Yep WGS-84 is the best default... that's what I said.
<katiem> bye all!
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<dboggny> i dont know how people can act that way. i hate it when people talk to me like i am an idiot. even if i might be an idiot, give me the benefit of the doubt
<wf_fuzzy> whatever you say, danny, you idiot. :)
<Leprechaun> yes let me talk, and PROVE that I'm an idiot!
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<ClayJar> Greetings, mp13!
<wf_fuzzy> mp13, weren't you looking for a MobiPocket decoder a few weeks ago?
<martinp13> Bacon salutations to you too
<dboggny> i am gonna mail you used cat litter nextime ron
<martinp13> Well, not exactly :)
<wf_fuzzy> what were you looking for, then? My memory is faulty.
<MrGigabyte> LindaLu... No, just missed it. Please repost, thanks
<dboggny> better to keep my mouth shut and let people believe i am an idiot then to open my mouth and remove all doubt
<martinp13> Basically GPX formatting :)
<wf_fuzzy> ah, well, aren't we all.
<JAR> Thank you, Mark Twain!
<martinp13> hah :)
<wf_fuzzy> But if you want to decrypt the Mobipocket stuff, check out http://216.202.195.127/mobipocket.html
<LindaLu> http://home.attbi.com/~wander_lost
<dboggny> your welcome, john updike
<MrGigabyte> Mrcpu... If they are female and young.. I'll date 'em
<wf_fuzzy> I can't make the source available, because of DMCA concerns, but if it'll help I'll point you to where I found the info.
<MrGigabyte> CJ.. I am ready for the modem slap now
<mrcpu> Now here is the question.... WWIII breakes out and we are thrown back into the stone age, would a GPS work, even if there was power for it?
<wf_fuzzy> the satellites require periodic updates as their orbital parameters change, so presumably it would become less accurate over time.
<dboggny> depends if the sat signals can get through the irradiate ionosphere
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<ClayJar> Okay... if somebody inadvertantly left some 1600 mAh NiMH AAs in a pocket fan they traded at a cache, and if they logged that they were okay with someone taking them (finders keepers and such), would you trade for (a) the batteries, (b) the fan, (c) the fan with the batteries, or (d) something else?
<wf_fuzzy> sometimes I think there are people answering (e) the whole cache.
<LindaLu> if ww3 breaks out I'd have other things to think about besides my gps, I think
<fouts> the travelbug
<dboggny> that happened to me when i dropped my compass at a cache
<MrGigabyte> megansdad.... sorry, I cant reply to private chat. (Mac user.. too complicated)
<Enos> i'd take the strangest thing in the cache of course
<wf_fuzzy> I think I'd separate the batteries frmo the fan, and trade for whichever was worth less than my trade item.
<megansdad> o ok
<dboggny> the next cachers who came to it got extra booty
<ClayJar> I think I'd trade for the batteries.
<wf_fuzzy> (note to self: enos wants strange things in his caches...)
<megansdad> i saw you post about geocoins.
<Leprechaun> I would trade for the cutest happy meal toy or else face the wrath of an 8 year old all the way home
<wf_fuzzy> I'll make sure to leave something bizarre in PPP next maintenance visit.
<Enos> thatd be nice :)
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<dboggny> if ww3 breaks out, i have to go out back and dig up the ammo cache
<wf_fuzzy> If I can find something sufficiently bizarre.
<MrGigabyte> megansdad ... where, when what?
<Enos> speaking of bizzarre, i love southface's drop in NERD, clear plastic thing that says "Computer Nut"
<megansdad> mrg i would like to take you up on it but you are to far away,
<wf_fuzzy> ooh, I still owe you some SIMMs, don't I?
<Enos> it would be more amusing if it really did have a mainboard nut inside though
<MrGigabyte> megansdad ... Sorry, you lost me. Huhhh?
<Enos> well i snagged a "wonder cutter" from kings ransom today, its pretty strange
<ClayJar> What's a wonder cutter?
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<wf_fuzzy> it's a pampered chef thing, isn't it? They like the word "wonder."
<Enos> its a plastic doohickey with a hairs length razor blade on it
<Enos> it cuts paper
<megansdad> mr gigabyte,i would like to take you up on the geocoins,but you are to far away.
<wf_fuzzy> ahh. not pampered chef then. pampered terrorist. :)
<Enos> i'm using it to manufacture more shenk avenger pics
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<Enos> yeah its like a barbie-doll sized box cutter
<ClayJar> Greetings, alexm.
<MrGigabyte> megansdad... Last try.. What are you talking about?
<alexm_> Greetings ClayJar, master of the evil hydrocaches. :)
<ClayJar> Hehe. Indeed.
<LindaLu> don't hydrocaches breed WestNileCaches?
<Enos> haha
<megansdad> mrgigabyte never mind i will put up a post to answer you.
<alexm_> I still haven't figure out *how* to log that @#$#%!@# thing...
<MrGigabyte> LindaLu... Any chance you could past the video link again pleeeease?
<wf_fuzzy> don't say that, I'm going for a hydrocache in two weeks (was supposed to be yesterday.)
<alexm_> I had west nile for breakfast. :)
<Couch_Potato> I still say hydrocaches are what liberals want to put in the desert along Mexican border so illegal immigrants won't die of dehydration
<LindaLu> Mr. Gig: if you don't catch it, look on the apparatus post in the Northwest section of the forums..
<LindaLu> http://home.attbi.com/~wander_lost/
<MrGigabyte> Thanx
<fouts> opinions, please, on a variation of multicaches, called polycaches, in which each stage of the polycache is a separate multicache.
<ClayJar> How to log it, alexm?
<wf_fuzzy> how so, marty?
<Leprechaun> whoa... clusters of multi's?
<JAR> How many stages total?
<Enos> like an amway cache?
<wf_fuzzy> is that like if I put the coords of a new multi in the last stage of another multi, or what?
<black_dog_trkrs> lol
<Leprechaun> LOL Enos
<Couch_Potato> a pyramid cache?
<alexm_> ClayJar: Don't know quite what to say. Wouldn't want to give anything away to future seekers... ??
<Enos> waaait
<ClayJar> If they're going to call pass interference, call the blinkin' hold!
<Enos> that's actually a good idea
<fouts> well, the multicaches would each be created as having the same starting coords, but, in reality, to find the starting coords of cache N you'd have to solve cache N-1
<Enos> that's how to make the most difficult cache in the world
<Enos> network all the puzzle and multicaches
<wf_fuzzy> I'll make sure to put the card for Shortwave in PPP just for you, Enos.
<Enos> fine fine fine, ill go get p3!
<wf_fuzzy> wait til I place shortwave, or you'll have to go back :)
<fouts> to make it even more interesting, some of the stages would actually be virtuals found along the way to other people's hard caches.
<Enos> ill probably get west nile and die, then won't you feel fine???
<wf_fuzzy> yeah, southface mentioned something about mosquitos.
<Leprechaun> would this link existing caches or would you start from scratch?
<wf_fuzzy> shouldn't be any worse than at NERD, though.
<martinp13> wf_fuzzy: not only will it degrade over time, but it moves to the right! :)
<logscaler> Calm down clayjar, its only a game.
<Enos> they were bad at nerd too
<martinp13> And the backgrounding sux :)
<Beast_of_Traal> It's only preseason
<fouts> i would start from scratch, but there are a few clues that i would set up in ways that would encourage people to go to other out-of-the-way caches
<wf_fuzzy> The concept of Shortwave is that you get a card that says "the coordinates of shortwave are on this card."
<wf_fuzzy> That's all it says.
<Enos> interesting
<ClayJar> hehe... that's like saying, "It's only a 3/2 cache."
<Leprechaun> that is a great idea but a TON of work it would seem
<Enos> is that word for word?
<wf_fuzzy> If I'm evil, I'll put one card in Perelandra, one in PPP, and one in the Cash Cache.
<martinp13> I really like caches that leave some mystery.... my "The Power and the Glory" cache is like that. :)
<wf_fuzzy> That's word for word. You can start solving it now if you like, even though I don't know the coords yet.
<Enos> no worries on that i'd imagine...
<megansdad> good night all
<Enos> but your going to make my brain keep running tonite
<MrGigabyte> LindaLu... That video is priceless. Thanks. They post a link to it on the cache page.
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<fouts> imagine it as 10 separate multicaches, each of 3-5 stages, each set up so as to encourage people to also do out-of-the-way and difficult caches
<wf_fuzzy> but I'd have to feel really evil to go back to Perelandra. Earthling is the devil incarnate.
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<Leprechaun> separate credit for each multi, plus bonus credit for the poly?
<fouts> yup
<cachew_nut> hi everyone
<mrcpu> So over in #FRSGeocaching we've decided that the Official Geocaching FRS channel is 2 with 12 as the alternate in a busy area. (No subchannels..ever!)
<black_dog_trkrs> hi
<Leprechaun> I'd hunt that. You can bite off and chew pieces, one weekend at a time.
<fouts> that way, people wouldn't be discouraged because of the # of stages.
<fouts> lep: exactly
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<Leprechaun> nothing is worse than getting 7 stages of an 8 stage multi
<wf_fuzzy> getting 3 stages of a 4 stage multi and then giving up only 20 feet away because of the bugs? Is that worse?
<fouts> also, i don't have to set up all the multis at once. when I'm ready for #2, i simply add the starting instructions to #1's final stage.
<wf_fuzzy> :) to Enos
<LindaLu> well what do you know, they scored agai
<LindaLu> n
<fouts> to be fair to people who'd done #1 when it wasn't part of the poly, I'd email the starting address for #2 to anyone who'd done #1 before it was part of the poly
<wf_fuzzy> can't they just go back to the last stage? Doesn't everyone keep all of their waypoints forever? :)
<wf_fuzzy> Or rather, can't everyone find back a cache without GPS if they've found it once?
<cachew_nut> i delete waypoints after a find
<fouts> not after finding 200 caches in between, no.
<wf_fuzzy> I can't speak to that, I'm afraid.
<wf_fuzzy> but I can still find back the caches I found six months ago, that's gotta be worth something.
<Enos> heh
<fouts> ok. just for you: if they go back, they get to skip a stage, but if they ask for the email, they don't.
<Enos> i guess i missed you laughing at me eh? :)
<wf_fuzzy> moi?
<LindaLu> any cache here that is six months old has a herd path leading right to it
<wf_fuzzy> not here. Not as many cachers - or caches - as many places.
<fouts> not always here. i've recently done some caches that have only had 4 or 5 visitors in 6 months
<mrcpu> Yea. I have found that when I get to the 50m mark I just start following the indents in the grass!
<Leprechaun> undergrowth grows faster than geocaching here in PA
<Enos> theres some going to stage 4
<wf_fuzzy> right now, or right after geostars got it?
<Enos> after geostars
<wf_fuzzy> those weeds mash down easily; I left a trail going there myself. But they spring back up over time.
<Enos> there was probably a bit from me flailing about with a stick
<wf_fuzzy> and of course right now there's a trail, since southface was there yesterday.
<cachew_nut> amazing how older logs say theres a path but in summer it's overgrown
<wf_fuzzy> I'll make sure to go out there and walk in circles for a while. :)
<fouts> also, another opinion: i'm thinking of doing a multi that requires the solver to visit five or six of the largest airports in the US to solve. what difficulty rating should i give it?
<Couch_Potato> I always walk in circles hunting a cache
<wf_fuzzy> me too
<martinp13> 5
<fouts> around here you might fall of a cliff doing that
<Enos> i usually do too, terrain allowing
<wf_fuzzy> but I don't have to hunt this one. :)
<cachew_nut> terrain 3
<martinp13> Terrain=1
<wf_fuzzy> around there you might fall off a cliff, too.
<Couch_Potato> worst I've had to deal with is vicious briars
<wf_fuzzy> or at least a grade that's greater than 1:1.
<Enos> or metal stairs
<ClayJar> TOUCHDOWN!!!!
<fouts> oh, the terrain rating is probably going to be a 4, since the final cache is going to be a wee bit out of the way.
<wf_fuzzy> you know, Enos, I climbed down the riverbank all the way to the river looking for NERD before we decided to check the stairs.
<Beast_of_Traal> Cj what's the score
<Enos> i climbed that too when i thought stage 4 was there
<wf_fuzzy> so we're even then :)
<Enos> it wasn't very fun
<cachew_nut> 27-17
<fouts> final question: when you design a multi, do you try to specify the stages in a 'reasonable' visit order/
<wf_fuzzy> I had a lot of fun, but I hurt the next day.
<fouts> ?
<Enos> ah and i pulled the old hang-from-tree-branch to replace nerd
<martinp13> Depends on the type of multi
<cachew_nut> packers 27 browns 17
<wf_fuzzy> I specified the stages on mine in a reasonable order, because you were going to have to drive between caches and my goal was not to show you Fort Wayne traffic.
<Leprechaun> not necessarily "reasonable" but "not likely to totally tee off the hunter"
<Enos> haha
<martinp13> If you want to lead em, you have to order the stages
<Enos> i always see fort wayne traffic when i go waching
<wf_fuzzy> just avoid Main Street next time :)
<ClayJar> After being behind 14 to zip, this is almost as fun as finding a multi-hydrocache.
<Enos> wow that's a big typo, all the way from c to w
<Leprechaun> no, that is just caching with WAAS enabled.
<Enos> haha
<wf_fuzzy> not a typo, a freudian slip. I'll make sure to close my blinds tonight.
<Enos> ick, butter popcorn jelly bean...evil
<cachew_nut> i cant wait till winter
<wf_fuzzy> ah, yes, winter. When you can tell there's a cache there because of the footprints going in circles around it :)
<Enos> haha
<Enos> i started last winter
<wf_fuzzy> so did we
<Enos> i was like "wow this is easy"
<Enos> then summer came and weeds grew
<wf_fuzzy> Lookout, right?
<cachew_nut> me this winter
<martinp13> fuzzy: not down south :)
<Enos> yep
<wf_fuzzy> Lookout was our first cache, too.
<wf_fuzzy> well, EV IIIb was our first attempt, but it was plundered.
<ClayJar> buttered popcorn Jelly Belly beans are the best!
<Shannon> i hate those
<cachew_nut> First Chicago was my first, now archived
<Beast_of_Traal> they have caramel popcorn now
<wf_fuzzy> the weeds grew between when I found the location for #4 and when I actually hid it. I couldn't even find the hiding place back.
<wf_fuzzy> I hear it's more visible now than it was then though.
<Shannon> you can have mine
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<Beast_of_Traal> they also have tabasco flavored jelly bellys
<Enos> hmm
<Enos> thatd be not bad
<wf_fuzzy> Shortwave, by the way, is going to be a 5/1.
<wf_fuzzy> :)
<Enos> haha
<Enos> thank you
<Enos> i don't mind puzzles half as much as i mind terrain
<Beast_of_Traal> puzzles are fun
<wf_fuzzy> it's only a temporary respite. If Shortwave is a 5/1, the next one that doesn't have a name yet will go back to a 2 or 3 terrain.
<wf_fuzzy> but Warm insisted on a /1 for a change.
<fouts> are puzzles that require specialized knowledge 5/ ?
<ClayJar> I would much rather have lots of terrain (and water) than difficult hiding spots, but puzzles can be worthwhile. :)
<Enos> i'm planning the canal cache to be sortof different, i had the idea for coordinate cards for a long time but geostars appropriated that
<Beast_of_Traal> how specialized
<Enos> ill do it anyway
<wf_fuzzy> as I understand it, it doesn't have to require specialized knowledge to be a 5, if it's hard enough.
<fouts> sure, i can see that, but does specialized knowledge automagically bump the difficulty up?
<cachew_nut> got to hunt Houston and Raleigh just recently
<Leprechaun> well, it's CJ's scale, what's his definition of a 5 difficulty?
<wf_fuzzy> what kind of specialized knowledge are we talking about?
<Mother_Gootz> Hey cachew_nut, shoulda looked us up
<fouts> particle physics.
<ClayJar> If it's specialized like, "Take the flowrates of LOX in the shuttle's main engine at liftoff..." it's a 5/.
<mrcpu> I did a cache where I've collected travel bugs and made it a multi where you have to get passwords and then visit a website to get the coordinates http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=31461
<Leprechaun> well it sounds like you need to know quantum mechanics or particle physics for shortwave
<wf_fuzzy> math, for example, is esoteric and specialized, but anyone can get the info at the library unless it's some acquired skill like integrating a nasty equation.
<Beast_of_Traal> if it's suppe string thery yes
<cachew_nut> i saw some of your logs in caches
<Enos> math is evil, give me intuition any day
<Mother_Gootz> yeah? we were busy this weekend...
<fouts> if it's a good library. few public libraries ever have any books that cover calculus of variations, for example
<wf_fuzzy> I'd have to ask the people who've found PPP if it was a 5. No specialized knowledge required, right Enos?
<cachew_nut> Houston was hot, my glasses kept steaming up
<wf_fuzzy> no knowledge at all required, and no instructions given :)
<Enos> nah you got it set about right
<Mother_Gootz> No kidding, come back after September
<wf_fuzzy> but I don't think that makes it less than a 5; it requires good problem-solving skills.
<Enos> i totally admit i took the easy way out on puzzle 3 though
<Mother_Gootz> which caches did you do?
<Enos> but the end justifies the means
<wf_fuzzy> what is the easy way out? knowing the hint?
<fouts> the ones i don't like are the ones where, when you get there, you have to search a big area of foliage for a microcache
<Enos> knowing the hint and knowing it was very close to nerd
<Enos> i just compared digits
<wf_fuzzy> ah
<wf_fuzzy> right, you got more digits than most :)
<LindaLu> bye all g'nite
<wf_fuzzy> most people know the first three digits of both coords and go from there.
<Enos> i don't think anyone else at the meet picked that up when you mentioned it
<black_dog_trkrs> most of the foliage around here is poison ivy
<cachew_nut> i hit about 10, kida all over
<Enos> otherwise itd be getting found by now
<cachew_nut> kinda
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<wf_fuzzy> Earthling knows where it is.
<wf_fuzzy> I took the really easy way out on stage 3: I wrote a program to solve that type of puzzle.
<cachew_nut> no snakes :)
<st_richardson> Good night all!
<Beast_of_Traal> a 5/? dose not requier specialized knowledge but requiering specialized knowledge dose not make it a 5/?
<Mother_Gootz> We did one Saturday, 1/1 & couldn't find the blasted thing!
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<martinp13> Bye gang.... take care!
<Mother_Gootz> It was dropped by a 4 yr old
<wf_fuzzy> By the way, there are 137,590 more puzzles that look almost identical to that one in a file here on my hard drive :)
<fouts> i saw your note in the forum on that, Mother_gootz. :(
<Enos> haha
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<cachew_nut> it's amazing how different caching is in different parts of the country
<Mother_Gootz> Redeemed ourselves sunday & found it
<Enos> well theres the solved one printed from my photos laminated in my room
<wf_fuzzy> cool
<wf_fuzzy> I don't actually have the solution.
<Enos> and a stack of puzzle 2 copies
<Mother_Gootz> Hows that cachew?
<Enos> and a copy of 1
<Beast_of_Traal> I serched for one couldn't find it read the hint it said "you don't need a hint here"
<wf_fuzzy> I don't even remember which of the puzzles it is.
<Mother_Gootz> how does houston stack up?
<ClayJar> Ole Blackwater, Keep On Rollin', eh, B8P?
<Enos> yeah isn't that clare up there that says "you can find it"?
<wf_fuzzy> other than that it's probably the one that's currently entered in my program...
<wf_fuzzy> nope, that's Clue Two.
<Enos> ah yes
<wf_fuzzy> the word "can" is a hint, though.
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<wf_fuzzy> you've found Clue Two, right?
<Enos> hmmm so it is
<Enos> i never realized
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<cachew_nut> here in Chicago you can drive up to 1/4 mile of just about any cache, California most are long hikes with snakes, Houston very hot and alligators splashing in the bayou, etc
<wf_fuzzy> that's why my log says we didn't realize the significance of the hint until after we found it.
<ClayJar> Oops, sorry, BoT... (called you B8P for no apparent reason)
<Beast_of_Traal> That's the one
<Mother_Gootz> Gators?? That's Looosiana territory!
<Beast_of_Traal> we both start with a b
<fouts> i've been hiking around this part of CA for 20 years and seen only 2 live rattlers -- both while geocaching.
<fouts> ticks are a much bigger problem around here :(
<wf_fuzzy> here most of the caches are drive-thrus too. That's why I'm trying to turn us into the 5/* capital of the world.
<cachew_nut> ti think theres also gators in houston
<wf_fuzzy> If you haven't done Perelandra yet, Enos, you're in for a treat. It's mucho fun.
<fouts> we have the full range. plenty of 1/1 caches, and a lot of ?/3 with a few ?/4
<Enos> canal should be about a 3/3 i'd imagine
<Beast_of_Traal> I've seen a snake once while caching didn't stop to find out what kind it was
<Enos> not too tough to follow, just long
<Shannon> most of the ones in Vegas are 1/*
<wf_fuzzy> When we did it, I had Warm go find the clues while I sat at work, then did the puzzles at night. I drove over to Earthling's neighborhood at 10:30 at night to find a stage :)
<Mother_Gootz> Yeah, but we don't stash caches in the bayous, so shouldn't really be a problem?
<Enos> i am very tempted to toss some puzzles in there though
<cachew_nut> never saw a tick except for Wisconsin
<Shannon> of course, there are a lot of virtuals
<wf_fuzzy> puzzles? I might have a few of those lying around :)
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<Mother_Gootz> By the time I'd found a tick, it'd be too late
<Enos> i'm thinking just different encoded coordinates
<CYBret> Goooood evening
<wf_fuzzy> I have one that's never been used on a cache.
<ClayJar> I paddled right by an alligator while caching this weekend.
<Enos> binary, ascii, hex
<wf_fuzzy> I'd be happy to lend it to you. :)
<Beast_of_Traal> Oh my
<Enos> actually, i like teaching people interesting things in my caches
<cachew_nut> Houston was super hot and with long pants and bug spray it made caching uncomfortable, but I was on a mission...
<Mother_Gootz> Oooh, scary CJ, don't think I'll hunt that one!
<ClayJar> I saw him; he saw me. We stopped and stared, and then he made a wide turn around me, and I continued on to the lake.
<Enos> perhaps some research puzzles dealing with canal-era fort wayne?
<Mother_Gootz> CachweNut, tell me about the mission
<wf_fuzzy> How about we teach them how to do fractional numbers in bases other than 10?
<wf_fuzzy> :)
<ClayJar> Pie charts, fuzz. Pie charts.
<Beast_of_Traal> was that in henderson swamp?
<ClayJar> Cane Island.
<cachew_nut> I try to get at least 10 in all cities I visit
<cachew_nut> thats it
<Enos> perhaps a nice blood-pumping uber-difficult fuzzy puzzle for the final coordinates
<Mother_Gootz> Ahaa...
<wf_fuzzy> like I said, I have just the puzzle.
<fouts> there isn't a city in montana with 10 caches in it.
<Enos> the problem would be the final location would be clear to anyone who would research in the slightest
<cachew_nut> then I'm not going :)
<wf_fuzzy> true.
<cachew_nut> until there is
<ClayJar> Hmmm... how about a 3D "tetris-style" block puzzle to get the cache coordinates... if you can figure out how to put it together from the pictures of the pieces, you can find the cache. :)
<wf_fuzzy> though you could mix them up a little and put the final location at the creek instead of the aqueduct.
<Beast_of_Traal> then hide the final somewhere else
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<wf_fuzzy> here's the puzzle I'm proposing you use: http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=5400997583&r=3090991724#3090991724
<Mother_Gootz> We don't wear long pants in the summer here...We just trust that we're goin to get eaten alive by skeeters & hope for the best on all the other beasts
<cachew_nut> terrain there way different from here
<wf_fuzzy> though giving Enos a puzzle that encodes the location I'm currently sitting might be a mistake :)
<Mother_Gootz> yeah, it's pretty flat here
<cachew_nut> here too but vegetation taller there
<fouts> so how about hiding the coordinates in a jpg?
<ClayJar> Where are you again, M_G?
<fouts> would that be specialized enough knowledge? ;)
<Mother_Gootz> Houston
<cachew_nut> elevation higher here :)
<wf_fuzzy> I hate puzzles that require you to leave the woods to solve them.
<wf_fuzzy> but that's me.
<wf_fuzzy> Contact would have driven me nuts, because of the steganography thing.
<Mother_Gootz> where again cachew?
<fouts> oh, i'd use puzzles like that for the coordinates of the first leg
<ClayJar> Ah, yes. It's rather flat here, too, but it's a bit more damp in Louisiana.
<cachew_nut> chicago
<Mother_Gootz> that's right-brain freeze
<fouts> we don't do flat here. i just got back from a 3 mile 1800' of vertical hike.
<Mother_Gootz> you know heat occasionlly too
<cachew_nut> the world is flat
<ClayJar> Ah, yes, how was that one, fouts?
<fouts> oh, i haven't done the hard one yet
<cachew_nut> this summer was too hot, i want wi nter
<wf_fuzzy> Well, I think I'm gonna call it a night and go man the battlements in case Enos solves that maze :)
<Mother_Gootz> I want to do harder caches, but have two babies taggin' along
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<CYBret> Howdy, Chob
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<Choberiko> Hi folks
<JAR> fouts, I sympathize... Did the CT highpoint a few weeks back, was I sore the next day!
<Choberiko> I guess I scared Ron off
<cachew_nut> kinda hard with kids sometimes
<Leprechaun> hello nice of ya to join us!
<Mother_Gootz> Winter here is great, can't wait!
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<fouts> this one was supposed to be a lot easier, but i took the "wrong" trail into the park, and then had to climb a hill twice
<cachew_nut> winter here is great
<cachew_nut> no bugs
<Mother_Gootz> if you like snow!
<Leprechaun> I see the coolest things when I take the "wrong" trail!
<ClayJar> I'm going to have to take a trip to get some terrain in my system.
<fouts> me too.
<Shannon> yeah...it'll be nice when it finally dips below 100 F here
<Mother_Gootz> me too
<cachew_nut> try the bay area sf
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<Mother_Gootz> going to OR next month, will get my terrain in then
<Leprechaun> there is no wrong trail, just different routes to the same end
<fouts> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=33863
<Leprechaun> Pittsburgh is all hills, too
<fouts> is the one i oopsied today
<cachew_nut> haven't done pitts yet
<Beast_of_Traal> we get snow here about once every ten years
<JAR> fouts, if you read my log for GC73D9... I couldn't resist finding out what "gives steep a bad name."
<fouts> heh
<cachew_nut> where b_o_t?
<ClayJar> Baton Rouge]
<cachew_nut> you should try to get more :)
<Mother_Gootz> more what?
<fouts> "of course there's buswhacking"...
<cachew_nut> snow
<fouts> that sounds like a fun cache, JAR
<Mother_Gootz> oh
<Beast_of_Traal> I have to call the weather man on TV
<Mother_Gootz> I grew up in Mass, can't say I'm in any hurry to do that again, though I do love fall!
<cachew_nut> really you could always throw more clothes on when its cold, but when you are naked and its hot, you are still hot
<Mother_Gootz> Sweat cools the skin
<brdad> and people look at you funny
<fouts> i dunno. having spent one winter too many with sub 30-below temps, i'm a big fan of *temperate* weather
<cachew_nut> don't call me funny
<ClayJar> Only when the relative humidity is low enough, M_G. In Lousiana, you just get wet when you sweat; you *don't* get any cooler.
<cachew_nut> i gotta hand it to you folks, its like being in an oven
<Mother_Gootz> Actually, i TOTALLY agree, i hate the heat & humidity, but this happens to be where I live & so i try to justify occasionally!:)
<Beast_of_Traal> The average high temprature and humitity in the summer is 98
<ClayJar> Actually, cachew, it's more like being in a rice cooker.
<Shannon> heat i can handle...its humidity that gets me
<JAR> Where, MG?
<Mother_Gootz> Houston
<Shannon> i'll take a vegas 120 F anyday over a Ohio 90F
<cachew_nut> funny too, the businesses all have the air conditioning set way too cold too :)
<fouts> one of the worst weeks i've ever spent was a summer afternoon in huston
<JAR> Ahh, I have a good friend living there. He claims that Houston has 3 seasons...
<ClayJar> When I put out False Profits week before last, I had to clean the sweat off my glasses before I had even *unrolled* my boat (much less inflated it or started paddling).
<JAR> Summer, July, and August!
<Shannon> heh
<Mother_Gootz> cachew-yes, true, i always kept a sweater at my desk!
<Mother_Gootz> now that i'm home i keep the house at a cool 75
<cachew_nut> i got a short haircut for the summer, couldn't take the sweat dripping into my eyes
<Mother_Gootz> oh that hurts!
* Beckerbuns eats an orange creamsicle.
<fouts> around here you get variety. two weeks ago it was 95. last week it was 65. today it was in the 80s.
<black_dog_trkrs> mmmm
<ClayJar> cachew, I find really long hair in a ponytail (or braid if you're paddling) is much better at de-sweating your eyes. ;)
<cachew_nut> where fouts
<Beckerbuns> Yeah, the weather around here is psycho.
<fouts> san francisco area: mountain view
<Choberiko> Nice today though
<CYBret> Is that the Schwann's kind, Becker?
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<Beckerbuns> I wish!
<Mother_Gootz> pretty there fouts
<Beckerbuns> The Albertson's kind!
<cachew_nut> mine wasnt long enough for a pony tail cj
<Beckerbuns> We just got Schwan's around here.
<CYBret> mmmmmm . . Schwann's ice cream :-)
<fouts> some parts are beautiful.
<Beckerbuns> I see the truck around from time to time.
<fouts> i prefer montana, but i grew up there
<CYBret> run them down . .make them stop at your house . . thank me later
<cachew_nut> i did some hunting near pleasanton
<JAR> fouts, that's Silicon Valley, no?
<CYBret> of course, you'll be out of money . . but you'll still thank me
<fouts> yup, silicon valley.
<Beckerbuns> silicone!
<fouts> used to be 'the valley of heart's delight.'
* Beckerbuns licks the ice cream.
<JAR> Not that valley.
<Mother_Gootz> valley of san andreas fault
<ClayJar> By the way, after paddling the Mississippi River and having to spend a good hour decompiling a hairball on the back of my head, let me say that braiding is the best invention to come out of hairstyling in the last sometime-or-other. ;)
<fouts> i think 'silicone valley' is around malibu canyon, bb
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<Beckerbuns> ah yes
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<fouts> buzz cuts, cj.
<DruMorgan> Hello, my name is Dru, and I am a cacher.
<Leprechaun> Hello, Dru!!!!
<Mother_Gootz> keep the tennis balls handy bb
<DruMorgan> I just got back from placing my latest cache.
<ClayJar> Hehe, fouts... I wouldn't want to live with scalp-sunburn.
* Beckerbuns throws tennis balls at DruMorgan.
<Beckerbuns> Hey MG, how did the swallow test go?
* DruMorgan artfully dodges the tennis balls from Beckerbuns
<Leprechaun> It's been two days since my last cache.
<Mother_Gootz> it's not til 9/11
<Choberiko> Swallow test?
<Beckerbuns> haha lep
<Beckerbuns> ooooh
<DruMorgan> Keep coming back, Lep. It works if you work it.
<Beckerbuns> I'm all mixed up.
<Mother_Gootz> puke city for my kid
<cachew_nut> like in capistrano?
*** JamieZ has joined #Geocache
<fouts> i fell off the wagon today and had three caches.
<Beckerbuns> Shame, shame.
<JamieZ> Have I missed the "official chat?"
* Beckerbuns goes to get another Creamsicle.
<Mother_Gootz> I missed the pun cachew
<DruMorgan> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=34081
* Beckerbuns gives JamieZ a great, big, bone-crushing bearhug!
<JamieZ> Ouch.
<ClayJar> You made it in, JZ.
<DruMorgan> We just saw Creamsicle flavored fudge at Disneyland.
<JamieZ> How'd I deserve that?
<cachew_nut> someone put chocolate in my peanut butter
* Mother_Gootz gives Jamiez a big wet welcome home smooch!
<JamieZ> Hmmm... I think I like that better, MG. :)
* Beckerbuns comforts JamieZ, and offers her sympathy.
* ClayJar cheered his Packers to victory, and now he closes the logs before the people get too out of hand. See you next week everyone. [End Log 32]
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